Wednesday 15 August 2012

Mens Rights vs Females in Comedy...FML.

So, I look through the Mens Rights forum on Reddit.

...I know. 

It's simply an exercise in stupidity, and only raises my blood pressure...but know thine enemy, right? RIGHT?!

There are a VERY SMALL AMOUNT of legitimate issues. Mainly to do with divorce law & custody, encouraging abusive behaviour towards men (how many rom coms have a girl slapping a guy to the cheers of all around?), and more insidious issues like what is happening on airlines.

BUT...when the majority of the posts and posters tend to harp on issues like:

...It's hard to take them seriously, even when they are bringing up salient points.

So, where does this all come together in a hilarious blog-y format?

Right HERE (excerpts below), when they delved into "female comedians". Prepare yourselves for stupidity on an epic scale:

Discussion about female comedians...

"I've been trying to get into female comedians more, because I feel like the gender of the comedian shouldn't matter--it should be about the jokes."
Let's take a moment to go over that opener, shall we? "I've been trying to get into female comedians more". Huh, I didn't realize one had to enjoy comedy on a gender by gender basis...but please continue with your undoubtedly brilliant observations...!
"But in talking with a friend of mine, it became clear why we like and prefer male comedians--in some respect, we laugh at the comedian as much as we laugh with them. Louis CK, Patrice O'Neal, Dave Chappelle, and other male comedians talk as much about their own failures, their own fatness, or their own stupidity as much as they talk about anything else. And the weird thing is, it's okay to laugh at them! When Patrice O'Neal calls himself a "fat fuck," we can say "yeah--look at that fat fuck's fucking fat! That's a tubby son of a bitch right there!" Dave Chappelle actually stopped doing the Chappelle Show because making fun of himself, of others, of black stereotypes, all stopped being funny and just started being insulting. And I think all comedians, as a requirement of comedy itself, are willing targets of that sort of good-natured abuse; they're fools, and we treat them like fools. That's why they can say anything they want, because ultimately nobody has to take them seriously."
I know a lot of people in comedy. Men and women, fat and thin, stand up and sketch (and improv and clown and blah blah blah), who would be LIVID at this douchebag's EXTREMELY NARROW interpretation of what comedy is. Also, note that Patrice O'Neil died recently from complications of diabetes...extra points for callous post!

Shall we continue? 
"George Carlin called himself a professional "foole" for just that reason."
Dude...George Carlin was not someone you laughed AT. He is spinning in his grave over this bullshit... 
"But female comedians suffer from the fact that they are women, and therefore we as a society literally can't make fun of them."
Can't. Talk. Anger. Rising... They suffer from that fact that they are women?!!! Mr. Poster, are you telling me that comedians like:

Can't laugh at themselves? And that they aren't funny? Gee, I hope not... That would kind of make you look like a moron... Moving on:

"Being a comedian usually entails being fat, being ugly, being stupid, being a negative stereotype, being a failure in life or love, or generally being on the receiving end of a shitty world with no real recourse except to perform for the attention and laughter of a group of people in a basement. We don't laugh at comedians for their great accomplishments or their amazing good looks; we laugh at them in some sense because we're mocking them and judging ourselves as lucky by their standards--even with the best of intentions, the nicest audience in the world."
You're an asshole. Signed, Stephen Fry & Stephen Colbert & every other comedian in the world who isn't Carrot Top.

Not stupid, ugly, fat, or a negative stereotype. BAM.

"The only way it seems to me that we could take women more seriously in comedy is if we took them less seriously in life; we would only be able to have women be as successful as men in comedy if a female comic could stand up and call herself a "fat fuck" and a "tubby piece of shit" and the men in the audience could agree with her without fear of pissing off their dates, wives, girlfriends, and the general female public."
Some female comedians do stand up and say that, and if you're too afraid to laugh at a comedian making a joke, then I'm afraid your testicles may have gone astray. Here, you can borrow mine. *splut*

"As long as there exists our current level of social opprobrium against anything negative said about women, womanhood, femininity, motherhood, or anything connected to the female gender, female comics are occupying a place where it is socially, morally and even legally more advantageous to be silent and uncooperative than it is to be a good audience member."

First off, good job on finding the thesaurus. Next, you do realize that we spent the last year listening to the US debate what a woman could and could not do with her vagina... And, if I recall, in February Rush Limbaugh crawled out of the depths of Mordor to call Sandra Fluke (a Georgetown law student, speaking about access to birth control): 

"... a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex. What does that make us? We're the pimps."

But no, you're right, women occupy a place in society where it is NOT commonplace to criticize anything about "women, womanhood, femininity, motherhood, or anything connected to the female gender" mistake:

Ooooops! How did that unrealistic standard of female appearance get there? Must be opprobrium!

His post goes on, but I won't bore you with the rest of its drivel...Instead, here are some "brilliant" commenters on the post! (grammatical errors included):

  • Maybe its because allot of them aren't funny, those that make it big don't focus on being a woman but on being funny.
    Another issue is confidence, for example how many female comedians do you see on panel shows? very few, this has often been attributed to women being less confidant and more quiet, they get less jokes across and are a wasted seat compared to someone who would be louder and make more jokes.
  • there are some good female comedians but its important to state that not all male comedians are good either.
    i think the reason female comedians don't do as well as the male ones is because most of their jokes centre around "my husband is an ass" and there is only so many of those jokes you can do before it stops being funny and started getting offensive.
  • I am not sure. I was thinking about this before but there isn't many female comedians in the first place. Sarah Silverman I think is the most famous one, and I just don't find her jokes very funny. Who else?
    I think what you're saying has merit though. Also consider sitcom shows were the common trope is the fat incompetent husband and his hot attractive wife.

There is SO much to address here...the fact that they can only think of ONE female comedian, the fact that, according to them, women on panel shows are a "wasted seat". The fact that DESPITE NOT BEING ABLE TO NAME ANY OTHER FEMALE COMEDIANS they state that "...most of their jokes centre around 'my husband is an ass'..." Yes, you've hit the nail on the head Detective! How brilliantly you've broken down the comedic stylings of:

  • Tina Fey
  • Ellen DeGeneres
  • Kristen Schaal
  • Amy Poehler
  • Janeane Garofalo
  • Maria Bamford
  • Kristen Wiig
  • Samantha Bee
  • Joan Rivers
  • Any one of the fantastic ladies performing at Chicka Boom
  • or any other of the fucking fantastic ladies I've mentioned in this post

For all the guys out there who think that:

  1. Women aren't funny
  2. Women can't be funny
  3. Women have it easier in comedy
  4. or that things are equal in comedy


I won't call you an idiot, and instead will give you the benefit of the doubt by saying that you are Woefully ignorant of how the world of comedy, and the world, really works.

I would like to leave you with an article that was written by Roseanne Barr, a game-changer in the world of sitcoms, and in the world of comedy.

We've come a long way, but there is a long way to go, Ladies. Now, let's go be fucking funny.

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